Tag: emotional immaturity

  • I grew up with a psychopath in the home (and a christian one)

    I grew up with a psychopath

    One of my parents is a psychopath.

    I don’t say this lightly.

    My mother is a psychopath.

    There, I said it.

    I grew up with a psychopath

    A christian one.

    Just saying this out loud is pretty phenomenal, or is it?

    I mean didn’t you all do the facebook quiz ‘Discover if your mum is a psychopath and get a high score…? no, I thought not…

    Its a bit different from that Johnny Briggs TV show of my own childhood, ‘My mum, who’s a nurse… ‘

    When I started blogging nearly 10 years ago, I did not think that this would be the blog I would write.

    Probably because at that time I lived in blissful ignorance, actually, numbed trauma reaction, to the extent of my parents emotional coercion and abuse.

    Was it ever possible to see?  Yes, and everyone knew more than they realised. But it wasn’t possible for me to see it.

    So, it was no surprise to me this year when I realised that my mum is a psychopath. Actually it meant that all the pieces fit together.

    It was one thing to realise that I was subject to emotional abuse as a child. 

    It was another thing to categorise my parent as a narcissist 

     Another again to regard them both as emotionally immature. 

    It was a step further still to regard her as a psychopath. But honestly, its the only accurate conclusion. 

    It wasn’t a shock in anyway when it was pointed out to me by two separate people in the last year, one of whom knows her pretty well.

    I realised something else this year too.

    You know that thing where some kids defend their parents and are loyal to them, even when they raise the alarm about abuse, or when others attract their parents. Theres a natural defence and loyalty from children to parents at times, despite everything.

    This is not something I have ever consciously felt. It was only this year when I realised that I hadn’t ever stood up for them. So, something must have happened when I was a young child, and thanks to trauma therapy I’ve worked, and working through this.

    I have always known that my parents, mum especially, was weird. But an 11 year old isn’t going to come to this clinical realisation. A 31 year old didn’t either.

    And in the main, a number of you reading this, if this makes it to my home town, or places where they have lived, also know.

    You felt it, but couldn’t put your finger on it. You were bullied, then played as a victim. You were taken from, and never given to. Gifts were never without reason. Social moments where often of shock, and orientated around her. They played people off each other , all the time. Unable to see or understand why they aren’t liked.

    In his book ‘Surrounded by psychopaths’ Eriksen suggest that there are 20 behaviour traits that a psychopath is likely to display much of the time. (I know there is A PPI test too.)  She scores very high.

    These behavioural things include:

    Grandiosity, Jealousy, Shallow feelings/emotions, Egocentricity, Superficial charm, Role playing, pathological lying, cunning and manipulative, entitled, need for stimulation, early behaviour problems, parasitic lifestyle, lack of realistic long term goals, failure to accept any responsibility, juvenile delinquency, Callous.

    But it wasn’t a shock. It was more a dawning reality that helped me explain who I am. Helped me explain my life choices, and the divisions within my family, that kept everyone apart.

    So, im 42, 43 soon, and have lived 41 of those years trying to appease, exist and revolve my life a psychopath parent.  A parent, or parents in which none of these are true . Parents who exist only in the drama triangle, and perpetuate DARVO .

    Image result for drama triangle

     

    When I have shared this with a few people, they have said that they were sorry. Sorry for me, that this is what I have had to realise or face in my upbringing.

    As Lindsey Gibson writes too, Emotionally immature people (a term that encompasses psychopath, narcissist, sociopath) also disassociate. Dissociative personality disorder is evident in my parents. This has enabled one of them to commit shocking behaviours in their entire life, and not feel any remorse or guilt, or shame, and certainly not take any responsibility, amongst other things. But switching personalities, roles and identities was common.

    So, in piecing all the behaviour together, the trauma, the terror, the victim role playing, the dissociation. I had only one unenviable conclusion.

    My mother is a psychopath. She’s also Evangelical.

    My mother; The Christian Psychopath.

    I grew up with a psychopath in the home.

    Now I know it, its time to live with the awareness, heal from emotional trauma and be the person i am meant to be.

    (PS. Im aware that there will not ever be a diagnosis. Thats just the point, they wouldn’t actually go themselves, voluntarily, and even in any court case it would be difficult to prove. No one walks into their GP and says ‘ can I have a psychopath test please?’ and thats just the point. Admitting this would even mean acknowledging a self awareness, that is absent. )

    The resources that helped me identify all this are here 

  • The myths about parents that prevent truth of emotional abuse from being believed

    One of the main reasons victims of abuse dont get believed is that the actions that perpetrators do is so shocking that no one could believe it actually happened.

    Ironically the same people who describe such things have to articulate something so awful and shocking, that it would be beyond their own mental capacity to make something up. They have no need to lie when the actions that occurred are scandalous enough.

    Another is the default positions that people hold about parents, especially in situations of parent -child abuse and emotional abuse.

    If you’ve been on the receiving end of emotional abuse in childhood, you’ll know how you feel when people say these things, the myths of what parents are supposed to be:

    • All Parents love their children
    • A Parent is the one person you can trust
    • A parent will always be there for you
    • You can tell your parents anything
    • Your parents will love you no matter what
    • You can always go back home
    • Your parents only want what’s best for you
    • Your parents know more than you do
    • Whatever your parents do, they’re doing it for your own good

    Some parents, mine included, even use these statements to describe something that they have absolutely no intention of actually acting out. Many of these myths are not true when you have emotionally immature parents, as Lindsay C Gibson (2016, p142) they never even see the light of day, they’re distant hoped for lands, where other children live in families, but not you.

    Some parents also have the word ‘Christian’ or ‘Faith’ to that list. As a christian, they wouldn’t do that..would they??  

    Yet, society trots these things out, as if good parenting is the default zeitgeist.

    It’s strange that when many tales of children, and fiction represent children abandoned, abused and tormented in their upbringing. Or where adults are pretty useless, like Harry Potter, Cinderella, and the many others.

    But when some of these statements above are held widely in society, then it can often become the first instinct not to believe the person who shares of the abuse from their parents.

    It’s not just as if their parent couldn’t do that, its that ‘no’ parent could.

    But they can. And they do.

    For many of us, those statements are just not true. In emotionally immature parents, these are those who are fit these criteria:

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    Then more than one can exist in a family. I have 2, and 1 is very strong at that.

    So, we must as a society, as youthworkers, social workers, counsellors, clergy and therapists, do our best, and do better, than believe the myth of parenting, rather than the actual experience and victim of parental abuse is trying to communicate. Because in many many cases, articulating emotional abuse is phenomenally difficult to do.

    One of the issues that Gibson writes about too is that as children, or adult children of emotionally immature parents, we may be unable to see our parents clearly, given that accepting that our parents are actually none of the above list (and more like the 4 types) that we care to imagine.

    Though, for others, like myself, I’ve know my parents have been weird, odd, since a very young age, and that may bring about different effects, and barely entertaining that they would be any of these things at all, because they barely acted in a way that it was true.

    My healing journey, and possibly yours too, is about beginning to see the past in a realistic and actual way, and not in a mythical hopeful sense, like the child who may hope for better or change. If you’re in your mid 40’s and hope your parents change now, then youre on a hiding to nothing. The only person who can change is yourself, especially as you heal and grow.  Its not only time to educate ourselves about the truth of our parents, but also others so that they see too.

    Parents are supposed to be these things, and in some cases, hopefully the majority, they are. If you have a good relationship with your parents, please dont assume that others do, or the myth of parents, because thats what they are, myths. Myths that stop truth from being believed.

    References

    Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents, Lindsay C Gibson, 2o16

    Recovering from Emotionally Immature Parents, Lindsay C Gibson, 2019

     

     

     

  • DARVO; the pattern to get smart on

    One of the benefits of being a survivor of emotional domestic abuse is that you can see the patterns of behaviour

    One of the disadvantage of being a survivor of emotional domestic abuse is that you can see the patterns of behaviour, everywhere, and at times, like I was when watching Stranger things recently, I get triggered by them.

    Growing up I was perceptive. Smart was a word people used also. I had to be, it was a survival mechanism to stay afloat with the narcissist in the house.

    What I couldn’t do as a child was articulate emotional abuse. How could I? – who can – its difficult enough when the bruise is visible.

    What I have become aware of as I have recovered from, and then read further about emotional and psychological abuse is that it is possible to see patterns.

    My previous piece here -is about gaining knowledge to heal.
    In this post I describe how psychopathy is evident in churches, and how to raise awareness of this.

    As someone perceptive, observant, and probably under went hyper-vigilence, anxiety and fear as a child, with emotionally immature parents , add the perceptivity to the knowledge and then patterns start to appear.

    Not only do the perpetuators of emotionally abusive acts, act in similar ways, their response when they are confronted is also similar.

    Its a cycle, and one that I want to bring awareness of, for those who have to deal with safeguarding, and bringing people to account who display such personalities.

    The first step is Denial.

    Of course they aren’t going to accept what they did, often a denial is in the form of denial (and then a reason is given for why they actually did what they did do, even though they denied doing it) There could also be a distracting acceptance here, ‘Of course I didnt do this, I couldn’t do this.. but I may have done this…'(instead, or smaller crime) 

    By the way an emotionally immature person is famous for behaviours that are so wrong that no one would have thought to make up rules against it. Like preside over the insurrection, often stealing things, like democracy, but could be other items, or any crime.  (Lindsay Gibson, 2019)

    The second is Accuse

    This can often be at the same time as the next two stages, but, Accuse – can look like scapegoating someone else, blaming them. It can be the classic and well trodden accusation that ‘everyone is being sensitive’ or ‘we got very upset when we were accused of’ – or ‘we were hurt by all your anger’  or there is a personal attack on the whistleblower somewhere in there. ‘They are emotional/sensitive/jealous , trying to destroy my job/ministry’ 

    This leads to the third thing…

    Notice how in part 2, they switched from perpetrator to victim..then..

    Part 3 is Reverse Victim-Offender

    They literally swap. In front of your very eyes. Its the tears of the girl who cries wolf, when she beat up the younger sister whilst looking after the wolf. Its the person who claims to be the victim, after being accused of doing something that they cannot conceive was in any way offensive. But they will turn from bully to victim in the blink of an eye. 

    They often then seek support from those who only see this side of them. Them as perpetual victims. Some people only see themselves as this, therefore are almost delusional to the offence and coercive control that they are actually perpetuating. 

    If you want to discover more, it’s here… DARVO 

    What does DARVO stand for? - Quora

    Can you imagine what its like as a child, or adult for that matter, seeing this in front of you?  When you have seen with your own eyes that abusive people have acted inappropriately and then in the blink of an eye play victim. And play the kind of emotionally immature victim that seeks the child to console them, and be on their side. Imagine how a child might try and articulate all of this and what they might be expected to do.  Some parents appear as the victims of the times they bullied their own children. Yes. Ill say it again. Some parents assume the role of victim after they have bullied their own children. And then expect the other child to be on the parents side.

    So, before I digress too far.

    Patterns.

    After the abuse is when you see them. Though, not everyone believes you even when you can see them. Or if you’ve lived through it.  one of the things to look for when dealing with emotional abuse, gaslighting, narcissism, psychopathy, is that DARVO is often apparent.

    What to do about it, is to be aware of it, and discover ways of not letting the Darvo monsters play you off in their game. Thats when you become their flying monkeys and enmeshed by them. Start to feel sorry for someone emotionally immature/narcissistic and all of a sudden your life, and previous friends, and families are divided into ruins..and so is your church, or entire nation when previously (USA) or currently (UK) led by one.

    If you are in a position of responsibility in churches, and especially in safeguarding one, then DARVO is definitely something you need to read up on.

    Simple infographic about DARVO based on research by Dr. Jennifer J. Freyd. For a high-res PDF copy click here .

     

  • The dawning reality, that your life was a lie

    One of the things I have had to come to terms with is that my life as a child was a lie. It took a while and wasn’t the first thing I started to see in the last few years as ive healed and undergone self awareness and therapy.

    Thats the reality when I see what happened to me.

    Though, I was aware of the weirdness of my parents, but….

     

    It was a lie.

    What I was told was a lie.

    What I was told about other members of my family, was a lie.

    What I was told to believe about expectations

    What I wasn’t told about encouragment

    What I was told to do was hold on to belief that divided

    What I was told to do to show loyalty to someone emotionally abusive

    What I was told to be

    That truth told was a deluded reality

    What I was encouraged to do about emotions

    That life was about walking on eggshells and fear.

     

    Dont listen to other people, they are the problem, no. the person who said this was.

    Their toxicity needs getting rid of. No, Yours does.

    They are the problem – no, your jealousy is

    Theres too many gossips in this town – no theres too many people who have been hurt by you that you are trying to discredit

    Stand up for yourself – but you’ll be in trouble if you dare stand up against me

    They pick on me – No, you can’t see why others see you as unwelcome, shocking and abusive.

    Soothe me and my emotional meltdowns – dont have your own feelings

    Im trying my best to be a good parent – goodness doesn’t come naturally to the entitled.

     

     

    It was all a lie. A lie cloaked in delusions and entitlement

    A lie – cloaked in the truth orientated ‘world’ of evangelicalism. God is on our side.  

    God the unseen presence, fear that terrified and controlled.

    When your whole life was a lie.

    A lie because the lies I had to believe were from the person who was meant to be the nurturer, protector, care giver.

    A lie because that was the default. Nothing good, generous, positive, just a dominating wounded ego, bordering psychopathy.

    A lie because emotionally immaturity, psychopathic externalising framed my entire upbringing.

    For 40 years, my life was a lie.

    How do I know?

    Because those who were lied to started to tell stories. Those who had been divided by hatred and suspicion realised that they had been treated the same.  Reconciliation occurred with truth telling. Truth required risk.

    But everything before it… was manipulative emotionally abusive lying.

    At least I now know.

    At least, im grateful… that truth sets people free. It really does.

    Im grateful that I can see

    That life begins in truth, at 42.

    With love, and a family I never had.

    Now I can see.

  • Understanding our emotionally immature upbringing and our internal selves (Part 2)

    Understanding our emotionally immature upbringing and our internal selves (Part 2)

    In my last piece I shared a little about how, based on Lindsay Gibsons book, ‘Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents’ , I coped with this by becoming an internaliser as opposed to reacting to it as an externaliser would.

    In this second part I though I would summarise some of the behaviours that are characteristic of emotionally immature parents, and people, and, dare I say it, organisations and churches too, who are full of emotionally immature externalisers. In my next part ill look at strategies that Gibson recommends to dealing with Emotionally immature parenting. But first, here’s a snapshot of some of the common actions and behaviours that befit emotional immature parenting, if these things are common, then I would recommend both of Lindsey Gibsons books on this, and also a conversation with a therapist.

    This is a tough read, and so I include a trigger warning.

    These are what it feels like to have an emotionally immature parent (or more than one) Ive expanded a few of these.

    1. You feel lonely around them
    2. Interactions feel one sided and frustrating
    3. You feel coerced and trapped
    4. They come first, and you are secondary (at best)
    5. They won’t be emotionally intimate or vulnerable with you (unless to get you on their side- the trick of the psychopath)
    6. They communicate through emotional contagionthis is where you are expected to guess their needs, and guess accurately otherwise its like to result in phrases like ‘if you loved me you’d know what I need; – they expect you to be constantly attuned to them
    7. They dont respect your boundaries or individuality
    8. You do the emotional work in the relationshipYou’re the one who has to reconnect and reconcile, they often make things worse by projecting blame, accusing others and disowning responsibility, they will more that likely be adamant that it was what you did or didn’t do that cause the problem; ‘if only you had known better and done what they asked’
    9. You lose your Emotional autonomy and mental freedom – because EI parents see you as an extension of themselves, they disregard your thoughts and feeling, instead they claim the sole right to judge . They respond with shock if your feelings dont match theirs (given that you are ‘just’ an extension of them) Your feelings are either good or bad.
    10. They can be killjoys and even sadistic – this to other people and their children, they barely take pleasure in other peoples happiness, often taking shine off their childrens pride (so I hid my accomplishments) They often famous for deflating their childrens dreams (if they express them). Sadism goes beyond this and is where they take pleasure in inflicting pain, humiliation and restraint on a living being, they can enjoy making their child feel desperate.Image may contain: text that says "Signs of fEmotionally Immature Parents your emotions You feel lonely with them Your relationship one-sided Your parents dismiss or They in superficial way They blame you issues they caused They have reactions They avoid vulnerability They demand compliance They respect boundaries They expect to how they feel They They trigger They hold accountable for their feelings They make their problems seem more significant than yours They unable to hold space problems Your parents guilt do what want your feelings or shame you into gettingyou to www.nedratawwab.com"

    As a reaction to the above, the child of an or more than one (I have 2) emotionally immature parents is affected in the following ways:

    You feel responsible for their feelings

    you feel exhausted and apprehensive

    You feel you can’t say no

    You feel defeated when you try and solve their problems

    You feel accused of letting them down

    You have overly intense emotional reactions to them – they transfer their feelings to you

    According to Gibson, Emotionally Immature Parents reveal themselves in the following ways, in how they approach life

    1. They are fundamentally fearful and insecure
      because they act like they were never truly loved, they are terrified of losing status or ceasing to matter
    2. They need to dominate and control – the dominant parent try to control others, the passive emotionally immature parent go along with whatever the dominant one desires. They dominate by taking over your emotions, treating you in ways which induce fear, shame, guilt and self doubt, and from this point you are the problem, not them. They feel better once you’re the bad one, but only temporarily because nothing makes them feel secure for long. 
    3. They define themselves and others by roles. Roles are central to an emotionally immature parents security and self identity. They certainly expect others to to stay in clear cut roles. They categorise people into dominant or submissive, equal relationships make them uneasy. They take liberties with boundaries so they keep you in a position they feel comfortable with. 
    4. They are ego-centric, not self reflective. They put their own needs and desires first and are entitled to what they want and rarely look at themselves objectively, they seldom question their own motives and reactions. They would rarely wonder if they were causing any of their own hardships. Personal growth is not a concept they relate to, and are usually derisive of it (‘I’m not the one that needs counselling’) growth is unpredictable because they often do not respond well with change as it gives insecurity. they can leave people stunned by their inappropriate comments, and if confronted they say ‘I was only saying what I thought’ as if speaking out loud were normal behaviour. 
    5. They blame others and excuse themselves
    6. They are impulsive and don’t tolerate stress and are usually impatient of others, being often very unable to soothe themselves, requiring others to do this for them, and want problems to go away as quickly as possible, their attempts to avoid stress, make things even more stressful. 
    7. They use coping mechanisms that resist reality – they distort, deny or dismiss facts they dont like  – whether its the virus, climate change or something relating to a challenge of their fixed reality system. At the lowest level a person may lose touch with reality and turn psychotic. 
    8. Reality is determined by emotions – ie by how it feels to them and they do this to the extreme. They way it feels is the way it is. Everything and everybody should be what she thought they should be.
    9. They deny and dismiss the reality of other peoples feelings
    10. Their intense feelings oversimplify reality –they have intense all or nothing emotions , oversimplifying people and situations into categories of all good or all bad, they hold back feeling complicated emotions, so there is little balancing or tempering them. Emotional maturity requires a balancing, tempering and the acceptance of a simultaneous mixture of emotions
    11. They disregard reality time sequence . Emotionally immature parents (and others) live in the immediate emotional moment and can be oblivious to the chain of causation over time. For instance they may be blisteringly oblivious to how their recent behaviour has made them unwelcome, they cant see why things shouldn’t go back to normal when they are ready to interact again. They are famous for saying ‘that was then, this is now’. The future isn’t a real consideration, so they feel free to burn bridges, deceive and lie. In fact lying is a reasonable solution, they often dont realise that their lies will catch up with them, and dont care that lies promote suspicion. Oh and because of this its maddening to get someone who is emotionally immature to take responsibility for their actions. because to them after the event is ‘over, and you need to move on…like I have’ 
    12. Their thoughts about life are simplistic , literal and rigid. they might sound like they are being catchy and decisive, but if you examine the words closely, they are often trite that isnt anything new, which is different from a mature wise person who leaves you pondering the thoughts for a long time. (Boris speeches won’t last long in the memory, neither will Trump) Emotionally immature people get more single minded the greater the stress. 
    13. They become obsessive. They only see the good guys and the bad guys, and dwell obsessively on someone who has wronged or betrayed them
    14. They use superficial logic to shut down feelings. Emotionally immature people demand that you soothe their emotional needs, but often trivialise yours often using trivial logic. Pin on Well Said

    And finally, I want to share some of the tactics that Emotionally immature people, and parents use in their coercion and takeover tactics. The trick is to see it and not be overtaken by it, though as children this is virtually impossible. The common tactics they use are:

    1. Self doubt undermines your authority and self worth – EI people withdraw emotional connection when you express thoughts or feelings they dont like. ‘the quiet treatment’  
    2. Fear makes you easier to control – Emotionally immature people are geniuses at instilling fear and making you feel unsafe. All the time. Once you feel afraid you are more likely to do what they say and put them first. 
    3. You inhibit yourself – not only their feelings but you start to be afraid of your own feelings
    4. You often feel guilty – Guilt should be a brief corrective signal, n to a chronic condition, not to hate yourself. Emotionally immature parents, people and religions exploit the coercive potential of guilt. EI parents make their children feel guilt over not sacrificing enough, or survivor guilt when whoever they have a happier life than their parents. 
    5. Feelings of shame make you easy to dominate. Thats why EI parents remember all your embaraasng negative stories. Shame comes about when EI parents/peopls use phrases like ‘are you crazy?’, how dare you, you shouldn’t feel that way – children conclude from these reactions that there is something wrong with them.
    6. Shame for having needs, this is annihilating and confusing. Often we can equate the emotionally devoid childhood we had as our own fault, rather than the fear of shame which controls us to not realise we were treated badly. Emotional parents and people have so much buried shame themselves they cant help their children understand it.

    Theres so much more in these chapters in her second book, which I highly recommend. As I read it it raises so many questions of not only my parents and my own parenting, but also how the same people act in their workplaces, communities and also the signs of all of this behaviour on the world stage, in politics, churches and organisations.

    In my part 3 ill be sharing more from Lindsays second book, on what is required to resist all the emotional take overs and tactics.

    As you get to the end of this piece, I want to tell you that if can see these things in your parents, then none of it has been your fault, and that your time to be you, free is about to happen. The road is so hard, but for you, it is worth it. Because you are valuable. Now is your time. It is most definitely mine.

    Instead of just linking to an authors books, here is an excerpt from Lindsays blog, and where you can purchase her books, do follow and benefit from her considerable expertise on this most challenging of subjects:

    With the recent publication of my latest book, Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents, I have answered a question that has intrigued me for years: why do so many psychotherapy clients seem so much more together and self-aware than their family members? In other words, why are the least problematic people the ones seeking treatment? Realizing that many of my clients’ family members were highly emotionally immature, I set out to explore and explain their destructive interactions in a way that could free people to live their own best lives without being worn out by these draining personalities. By understanding our loved ones’ emotional immaturity, we can regain our trust in ourselves and get free from the destructive and confusing effects of early programming from childhood. 

    I have quoted extensively from Lindsay Graham, please do purchase her books, as I have done and reflect further on emotional immaturity and how it has affected your life.

    Lindsay has also appeared on a number of podcasts, and took part in this interview