Tag: flying monkey

  • Fathers Day; It’s Complicated

    Mothers Day is ‘easy’, as is her birthday. Its not easy, but it’s easy because it’s clear cut, if you have read anything of my story on these pages, or had met her, you will know.

    For some of you reading this, Fathers day is the clear cut one. Not easy, not ever easy, but its clear, if your father abused you, hurt you, abandoned you, or beat up your mum, Fathers day brings with it horrible trauma, understandably, as its being dealt with, I’m not in any way saying that its easy, at all – more reflecting that there’s a clarity, however rough, in facing that day as a horrendously difficult one, as its a permanent reminder of the abusive, toxic one. For me- that day is Mothers day.

    But Fathers day – the celebratory day , for me, of the ‘other’ parent – its complicated isn’t it?

    Even as I grew up, from mid teens onwards there was a recognition of the ‘difficult relationship people has with their fathers’ – on fathers day. But that wasn’t me.

    The difficult relationship was with the psychopathic other one.

    So, I could, somehow think to myself- aged 12 onwards that I was somehow alone, in that no-one had difficult mum issues, and also that compared to mum issues I did have, I didnt have dad issues. Or at least, I had lesser Dad issues that have only arisen to the surface as I have begun in recent times to deal with the mum issues.

    Growing up, the eldest male child – of an abused Father. A Father still caught in the web of her abuse. A Father powerless. or…. A Father choosing to stay trapped, choosing loyalty, actively making a choice?

    I kind of get, how a child of abused female parent is expected to rationalise their action -The abusive male is stronger, more powerful physically, the child watching the damage to their mum – is undoubtedly traumatised – but she isnt expected to fight back, yet might protect her children and leave for safety.

    What kind of emotional strength and awareness would it take for a man to leave an abusive woman?

    Thats the question I am left facing in regard to my Dad, for 40 years I know I was afraid, for 40 years I ran and hid, for 40 years I couldn’t see it either – caught in her toxic web – the trophy, compliant child, walking on eggshells.

    Its complicated, Fathers Day.

    On one hand, my Dad didnt abuse me, frighten me, hurt me, bully or reject me. So thats a tick.

    But on the other, he didn’t protect me from the one who did abuse, frighten, hurt and bully, not just me..but everyone. Thats the tick taken away, isnt it?

    And he did carry out the ‘Dad’ punishments on behalf of the other one, when she got upset by something I did or didnt do – that to her was unreasonable.

    Slippers used to beat me on at least two occasions, and on both I can remember thinking that he wasnt really invested in doing it, wasnt really him, just being told to do it by her. Child-mum got upset. Emotional, couldn’t cope.

    And he didnt ever stand up to her – for either of us – never saying ‘You’re being too hard on them’ to her… but , instead saying things like ‘ Just do that thing to please your mother’ or ‘ Dont upset her’ – all the whole realising that it made absolutely no difference.

    Keep off the eggshells, or ill be in trouble too. he might as well have said.

    Often he was just her tool.

    Defending her, when others called her out.

    I am reminded of this- and the book it came from:

    Essentially, you dont get to have only one Emotionally immature Parent. At least, I dont. The obvious one is the Emotional one, the Child-mother. Dad is Passive parent, to the textbook.

    ‘Passive parents aren’t angry or pushy like the other three types, but they still have negative effects. They positive acquire to dominant personalities and often partner with more aggressive types who are also emotionally immature, which makes sense given that people with similar emotional maturity levels are attracted to one another. Comparesd to other types, these passive parents seem more emotionally available, but only up to a point. When things get too intense, they become passive, withdraw emotionally, and hide their heads in the sand. They dont offer their children any limits or guidance or help them to navigate the world,. They may love you, but they cant help you’

    Lindsay C Gibson, Adult children of Emotionally Immature Parents (2015)

    He was also completely un-trustworthy – her Flying Monkey , he’d be the one to glean information, good (easy to talk to) cop, though didnt offer anything in return – no empathy, advice, genuine concern – was just listening for information to take back. I learned not to trust this parent. Any attention he got made the other jealous, so actually it would become difficult to know how to gauge what to do. He knew we, as children or a family, would spend time with him, when she wasnt around. Yet, he would hide away to stay out of the line of fire, I mean he didnt spend hours in a shed, garage or converting an attic for nothing – or somebody elses.

    The image is right though, playful – and also at times fun – especially when I was a much younger child, and would still play board games , also the helpful fixer – practically doing things, making, fixing, DIY and all of that, though that DIY ‘dependency’ would be a way for her to be involved – so again he was being used.

    What makes all this complicated is the level to which I regard him as someone who could have made different choices, someone who may have realised a long time ago that he has missed out on many aspects of actual life – like relationships with his own kids, grandkids, family and others – and chosen instead a path of least resistance and loyalty. For too long people would say ‘I feel so sorry for ________ (insert my Dads name) he’s such a nice guy – really helpful – he shouldn’t miss out – just because of your mum’ – and maybe, feeling sorry meant that I or others kept softer boundaries with him, that the other parent bull dozed through – (a marathon of miles taken when an inch was offered).

    I could understand that he was scared of her, everyone was, but if he was scared of her – why did he not think that his children needed protecting from her too? Maybe thats it, maybe thats what makes it complicated, he was in his own survival mode that we were all in, whilst the psychopath took everything for herself – am I angry- no – is it complicated? Yes. Could he have taken responsibility – and not left the emotional responsibility to me in the house? Yes, Could he have thought his children have some emotional welfare against her abuse? Yes

    Was he continually lied to by her? Was he stuck in the midst of the Darvo game she played? Did he accept breadcrumbs? Was he coerced to be loyal for religious reasons? – probably yes to all.

    Maybe, I just realised that because of his loyalty to her, despite all the abuse, then what I had to do was treat them as the pair that they are.

    Fathers Day. Its complicated. When one parent is only slightly better than a very abusive one, doesnt mean that they’re in anyway good, nurturing, protective or supportive, especially when enmeshed in their lair. He’s a grown up though, its his responsibility to change himself. Happy Fathers day ; To the parent who isnt as bad as the other one – isnt going to sell many in Clinton cards…

    So – what do I feel? Feelings are complicated today – because all of this is complicated. Sometimes I feel angry and annoyed, then I feel guilty for feeling angry and annoyed , because well, that anger and annoyed should be directed at the other parent – then I wonder if in reality there is no such thing as a perfect dad anyway and do I have unrealistic expectations – but actually thats just a cop out. I can choose to have neither part of my life, especially while both exist as a pair. Its just easier that way. Whilst im writing this, im realising im a week early in processing this, thinking that Fathers day is tomorrow when it actually isnt, says something about how im feeling I guess.

    Its also complicated because I am also a Dad too, and trying to unlearn what I grew up with, to be a better person and man today, every day.

  • We need to talk about Parental Stalking.

    Stalking, tends to be focussed on one type in the media. Men grooming young people, or partners in an abusive relationship. The day after I wrote this piece, I saw this one on the BBC website

    but it is defined as

    Stalking is defined as a pattern of unwanted behavior, directed at a specific person, which causes that person to change their routine or feel afraid, nervous or in danger. Examples of stalking behaviors include: Repeated, unwanted phone calls, texts, messages, etc. that may or may not be threatening.

    But it happens with Parents too.

    If you know, you know.

    They continue to watch.

    Doesnt matter if you think you got rid of them.

    They continue to watch.

    They continue to search

    They continue to find ways of interrupting.

    When you close them off from your life

    Even Parents.

    They are desperate to know everything about you

    They are desperate to be in the ‘know’

    As the ‘trophy’ child they were desperate to show me off – so this requires information

    The scapegoat child gets no time, is constantly harassed and their movements controlled

    Happens to each child in different ways at different times.

    They continue to stalk.

    Doing so in the name of ‘We’re just looking out for you’

    though more accurately its so that they can tell their friends about us, without actually having any contact

    It’s stalking and harassment.

    and its to unsettle and alarm.

    Because, what they also do, is give away that they are looking.

    They cant help themselves.

    In fact they love giving themselves away…

    Its like they want you to know that you’re still not safe from them.

    Its like they want you to know that that you’re being watched – and controlled

    Its like they still want to cause fear.

    Taken from Gloucestershire Police

    So they give themselves away.

    ‘I notice on facebook that…..’

    or

    ‘I dont think you should be having conversations about ……’ – things that they obviously saw on a you tube channel.

    or somewhere in an email – to you or to someone else.

    They set up social media accounts, to keep an eye on you, changing them often.

    It’s usually embedded in a different message, but they like to give away something to just let you know.

    Of course if you dont know, you might think im being paranoid – but thats the thing, if this hasn’t been what you have had to deal with you’re not likely to get it. Parental Harassment.

    Theres can be the weak mole in the family – usually the flying monkey

    The one who maintains contact with them – enough so that their inch is a proverbial HS2 of a railway scheme.

    The unsuspecting mole gets

    ‘We don’t hear from _______, have you heard from them’?

    ‘________ doesnt speak to us any more , are they ok?’

    ‘ Last time we saw _______, they we’re doing ______, is this still the case? ‘

    ‘I bet you’ve seen _____ since we have______’

    The favoured child is only favoured whilst they are the sharer of information and does what they want.

    The unsuspecting mole, faces the dilemma to say nothing. say no- and face a reaction. This can happen over phone, email or face to face- obviously. Or they give away all the information, because they are terrified too or that they cant see the issue for what it is.

    ‘But they’re worried about you’ you might say… thats what ‘normal’ parents might be like. It doesn’t work for the psychopaths and narcissist parents (or the emotionally immature as Lindsay Gibson writes). They dont possess these emotions in any genuine way- they worry about themselves and their reputation, they worry that they might be damaged, there is no genuine worry.

    They use other family members to get gossip about the person they are trying to keep track of. They go as far as using friends in the same way, and social media.

    They are probably reading this. And thats the thing, until you decide to hide everything and go completely underground they aren’t going to know. But what about living our lives and exposing them for who and what they are. Their behaviour is not my shame to carry.

    Parental Stalking does happen, and its something we need to talk about alot more.

    When it happens and you’re in the middle of it its terrifying.

    Yes, of course they deny it…. but then again… part of their pattern is to deny things, misremember things…

    So It’s time to talk about it, time to put it in the open.

    Time to state the horrors of what abusive parents will do to their own children.

    Has this happened to you? Have you experience of parents who stalk you?

  • Surviving Psychopathic Parenting (Part 10); Navigating the other parent, the flying monkey.

    But you do have another parent, couldn’t you talk to them?

    Your other parent, they’re so nice, they’d do anything for anyone

    Only one of the above is true.

    Theres a reason why you feel completely alone when one of your parents is a psychopath.

    You realise that you cannot trust the other one.

    Even if you are allowed to be anywhere near them.

    You discover that they can’t be trusted.

    I did, though I cannot remember exactly when.

    In the name of marital loyalty they tell everything to the psychopathic one.

    They are on the same eggshells. Afraid to keep secrets.

    They are passive.

    They are controlled.

    They do the work of the psychopath for them.

    They are their flying monkey.

    They have no choice but to believe them.

    You know they wouldn’t believe you. They cant protect you , the child.

    Mine didnt, couldn’t, wasn’t going to.

    They are also abused themselves, but they dont know it. Wouldn’t want to know it.

    Surviving psychopathic parenting is about Surviving alone.

    The one psychopath can divide a whole family, a whole community, thats how dangerous one of them is (Erikson, 2019) It only takes one.

    The other parent elicits sympathy from others, your poor father, as they take on meeting others needs like a codependant. They take on befriending and soothing others, for the psychopathic one to manipulate later. They dont realise it, but thats how the pattern works.

    Maybe if you had emotionally abusive parents it was different for you?

    One of mine was abused by the other, passive, and then offered no protection from her.

    The other was a psychopath.

    The ‘Other’ was played, believed the victim lies, span a tale too.

    You dont have either parent, if one of them is a psychopath. Even if mine appeared generally friendly, sometimes playful, even spending a bit of time as a child with them making train sets.

    Ultimately though, they are just a shell. A tool. Being used as the flying monkey to elicit information to the other one.

    Its why the only way is to survive alone.

    You cant trust anyone.

    Until you can find people you can trust in.

    People who have boundaries. People who protect.

    I didnt have the ‘other’ parent. There was no such thing.

    Its like growing up with secondary eggshells. You know what you say goes back. You know they are sent in to discover information.

    You know you’re likely to be given the guilt trip that ‘they might miss out’ and they do.

    They have made that choice.

    Surviving Psychopathic parenting, and psychopaths and abusive people , is to see and realise the patterns of the flying monkeys.

    The other parent, the psychopaths flying monkey.

    Thank you for reading this, part 10 of my story, do read the other parts in the menu above, and also there are resources in the other menu too.